Hello, my friend, and welcome to another episode of Negotiate Anything. Thanks for spending

time with us today. It's listeners like you in 181 different countries that have made Negotiate

Anything the most popular negotiation and conflict resolution podcast in the world. I'm your host,

Kwame Christian. I'm a business lawyer, mediator, professor, and the

director of the American Negotiation Institute. Before we get started, I have two quick questions for

you. Is negotiation a critical part of what you do? Do you need to resolve conflict and persuade at work?

If you answered yes to both of those questions, visit our website to learn more about our negotiation

workshops. We've

traveled the country working with professionals just like you, and we'd love to have the opportunity

to work with you too. Check out the link in the description to learn more. You bet. Thanks for joining

us today. Oh, thank you. It's my pleasure to be here. Yeah, it's a pleasure to have you. We're

really excited. You've been a friend and mentor for many

years, and so it is an honor to have you on the show. What's an honor for me? Because I remember

when you showed up as a first year law student and to see you, not even before that, I think I

met you when you were in college before you even went to law school. You were in a summer

internship program.

That's right. And so to see you from that place to this, it is really, really inspiring. And I'm really grateful to be able to watch your success.

Well, thank you. That means a lot. Well, how about we start off by telling the listeners a little bit about yourself and what you do? So I am a native Columbus, Ohio person, one of the few here.

And I've been a lawyer for 35 years.

And I like to say I've done about everything you can do with a law degree.

I started off at the state attorney general's office, trying cases.

I was a trial court judge for nine years. Then I went

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