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How TikTok Hijacked The Future Of Music - Nik Nocturnal - #1095

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.65.9K Ratings

🗓️ 9 May 2026

⏱️ 139 minutes

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Nik Nocturnal is a musician, YouTuber, and content creator. What is happening in modern metal music? The days of thrash and hair metal dominating culture are long gone, and something entirely new has taken their place. So what defines modern metal, why does it sound so different, and how has the internet changed the music industry forever? Expect to learn how big of an impact TikTok plays in shaping the way modern metal songs are written, which songs are the most influential songs in modern metal, what Nik thinks of AI-generated music, the most overused trends in metal right now, the tension between making art and making “content” in music, the worst thing about being a YouTube musician and much more… Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/deals⁠⁠ Get 160+ lab tests for just $365 and save an extra $25 at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get 10% discount on all Gymshark products at https://gym.sh/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM10) Get 15% off your first order of my favourite Non-Alcoholic Brew at https://athleticbrewing.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get ChatGPT to explore ideas, solve problems, and learn faster at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://chatgpt.com⁠⁠ Timestamps: (0:00) How is TikTok Reshaping Metal Music? (8:24) Is Metal Music Better Than Ever? (17:36) Are We Living in a Golden Age of Metal? (25:39) How Pop Culture Is Reviving Metal (28:28) The Best Metal Songs for Nostalgia (34:55) Is Originality Dead in Music? (41:29) Is There Beef in the Metal Genre? (47:02) Who is Slipknot’s New Drummer? (50:22) How Long Have Kilswitch Engage Been Around? (51:05) Why is Metal Becoming Self-Aware? (54:04) How Hit Songs Are Really Made (58:52) Are Bands Being Engineered for Virality? (01:06:49) The Building Blocks of Nik’s Fast Songwriting (01:16:52) The Hidden Costs of Taking a Break (01:27:06) Why Creators Burn Out So Fast (01:35:51) The Power of the “F*ck You” Pivot (01:40:34) Are Streaming Platforms Exploiting Artists? (01:53:44) How Song DNA is Improving Credit (01:56:16) What’s Next For the Alt Music Scene? (02:08:59) Metal Bands You Shouldn’t Miss (02:16:23) Where to Find Nik Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/books⁠⁠ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: ⁠⁠https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom⁠⁠ Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠⁠ #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠⁠ #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberman⁠⁠ - Get In Touch: Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ Twitter: ⁠⁠https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast⁠⁠ Email: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/contact⁠⁠ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

How big of an impact do you think TikTok has played in shaping the way that modern metal music sounds now?

0:06.1

Oh, it has a pretty big impact because all the young kids growing up right now on TikTok.

0:12.5

And I remember, you know, even when I started YouTube, that was like a newer thing.

0:16.4

People were discovering music through YouTube.

0:18.0

I discovered a lot of like the big bands I listened to growing up through YouTube. And that was like unheard of. You know, it was like no matter what it was usually all on the radio or like, I don't know, your brother gave you like a cassette or like a CD. So that was already such a new thing. There was kids discovering music through the internet. And I mean, MySpace, YouTube, I mean, Facebook to some capacity after that. So TikTok was

0:40.3

kind of just that next generation of people scrolling and whatever they might be doing,

0:44.6

doom scrolling or just, you know, I don't try to find cooking recipes. And then all of a sudden,

0:49.6

you know, if they like music in any capacity, or any of, even if they don't, you know, they hear a

0:53.3

sound. And they're like

0:55.4

this is cool and a lot of things with modern metal is there's a lot of good clip moments usually with

1:02.6

modern metal particularly um you know whether it's the breakdown or the other breakdown or the

1:08.5

crazy vocal moment um or even on the guitar so crazy guitar moment

1:12.1

or drum moment right there's a lot of musicianship and like unique uh attributes that kind of go into

1:19.1

that skill in in terms of like metal as a genre so like when you're able to just like kind of clip

1:24.1

farm some things like that and be like oh oh, like here's the best part.

1:44.7

And you instantly get a payoff versus most people you have to listen to the whole song or like, you know, in a minute and a half until the breakdown happens. So TikTok, I think, really enforces that where people will be scrolling. And they'll just hear like this crazy noise or breakdown or some dude screaming and doing goblin noises. and it'll be like, oh, I want more of this.

1:47.6

You know, you instantly get hit with the punch line.

1:44.4

It's like watching a horror movie and only

1:48.8

getting hit with the jump scare. So it's, you instantly get kind of intrigued. And I think that has

1:53.7

really helped push metal into a bigger kind of more just normalized audience. Look at the state of can

1:59.4

you feel my heart. Look at the state of that

2:02.5

bring me track, which if anybody listened to that album when it came out, it was good, it was good

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