What's up everyone? We are back with another episode of The Crazy Ones.

My co-host Jesse is out today. I think he's actually visiting his mom for her birthday. So

happy birthday, Mrs. Pooji. And I get to chat with Onker Jane, who is a fascinating founder.

His company built, went from zero to a one and a half billion dollar valuation in just over a year.

And on this episode, we talk about a bunch of things. We talk about what his parents who built

multi-billion dollar companies taught him as they were raising him. We talk about how built

took the airline loyalty programs that are literally worth tens of billions of dollars.

And how he wrapped this type of program around rent, which is basically everyone's biggest expense

on a given month. We talk about the art of deal making and the skills that Onker uses to rub

elbows with the famous and powerful like Bill Clinton and Richard Branson. And we talk about why

Onker thinks that raising VC money should be an absolute last resort for entrepreneurs. Let's hop

into it. What's up everyone? I'm Alex Lieberman. You know, this is Jesse Pooji. And this is The Crazy Ones.

Onker Jane, thank you so much for joining The Crazy Ones. That's going to be picked as a crazy one.

Yeah, exactly. I think last time I saw you, we had just hung out in like Noho in the city.

And you try to do the very courteous thing of covering my Uber home. And then we get in the car

and the guys like, yep, I'm sorry, I can't take you to Hoboken, which is just a classic response

to anyone who lives in Hoboken. I honestly didn't even realize that the Uber drivers had the ability

to reject rides like that. We get in the car. I was pouring rain. There was no cars. I said,

I haven't taken, I'm going west, haven't dropped you off after me. And the driver just threatened to

get both of us kicked out of the car. It is hilarious. We're going to have to move back.

Yeah, no, it happens all the time. I would say five out of 10 rides of me going back to Hoboken

in the city. I'll get into an Uber and they say they can't take me to Hoboken because I guess

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