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10% Happier with Dan Harris

How Thinking About Death Can Improve Your Life | Alua Arthur

10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Media, LLC

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.612.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 July 2023

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

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There seems to be one clear bug in the human operating system — most of us do not like talking about death. Yet when we do talk about it, it can genuinely upgrade the quality of our lives.


Our guest today is Alua Arthur, a former attorney who is now what's called a death doula, which is someone who helps guide people through the end of their lives. Through this work, she has learned some extraordinary stuff about how to live life right now. 


Alua is also the founder of Going with Grace, a death doula training and end-of-life planning organization. She is working on her debut memoir, which will be coming out next year called, Briefly Perfectly Human.


This conversation took place at the 2023 TED Conference in Vancouver, immediately after Alua delivered her triumphant talk, which is out now. Special thanks to the TED Audio Collective. You can listen to Alua's talk and other TED talks on the TED Talks Daily podcast. 


In this episode we talk about:

  • How death can be a powerful motivator 
  • How consistently being aware that you're going to die can be a "stress reliever" 
  • The utility of imagining your ideal death
  • Her view on reincarnation 
  • How the concept of "healing" can sometimes be used as a weapon against ourselves 
  • The importance of not leaving things unsaid 
  • How "hope" at the end of life can sometimes be unhelpful
  • What surprises her about death 
  • How her work helped her out of her depression
  • The five steps that you should take when confronting your own death 
  • The harm that can sometimes result from too much medical intervention toward the end of life
  • The often fraught relationship that vulnerable and marginalized people can have with the medical community 
  • The benefits of thinking about what version of yourself you want to meet on your deathbed
  • The death meditation that she uses when working with people 
  • What to say and do when you are with somebody who is grieving 
  • And a practice she calls, "The dying things exercise" 


For tickets to TPH's live event in Boston on September 7:

https://thewilbur.com/armory/artist/dan-harris/


Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/tph/podcast-episode/Alua-Arthur-619

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

0:20.0

Hey, everybody, quick reminder. We've got our first live podcast coming up on September 7th

0:25.1

at the Armory in Boston. We'll have a very special guest, very special guest. It's a small venue,

0:31.1

so if you do want tickets, go to the link in the show notes, double quick. I should say if this

0:36.0

experiment with live podcasting works, we may start doing live shows around the country, who knows

0:41.0

maybe around the world. So stay tuned. All right, let's talk about today's episode. It seems to me that

0:47.2

one clear bug in the human operating system is that most of us do not like talking about death.

0:54.4

And yet when we do it, it actually can make us feel good and genuinely upgrade our lives right

0:59.7

now. So we're going to try to demonstrate that for you today with an extraordinary person.

1:04.7

A Lua Arthur is a former attorney who's now what's called a death doula, which, and you'll hear

1:10.4

her describe this better than I can, death doula is somebody who helps guide people through the end

1:15.2

of their lives. Through this work, she has learned some extraordinary stuff about how to live life

1:20.8

right now. In this conversation, we talk about how death can be a powerful motivator,

1:25.1

how consistently being aware that you're going to die can be a stress reliever,

1:29.1

the utility of imagining your ideal death, her view on reincarnation, how the concept of healing

1:36.1

can sometimes be used as a weapon against ourselves, the importance of not leaving things unsaid,

1:42.4

how hope at the end of life can sometimes be in her words, fucked up, what surprises her about

1:48.4

death, how her work helped her out of a deep depression, the five steps that you should take when

1:54.0

confronting your own death, the harm that can sometimes result from too much medical intervention

1:59.0

toward the end of life, the often fraught relationship that vulnerable and marginalized people

2:03.9

can have with the medical community, the benefits of thinking about what version of yourself you

2:09.0

want to meet on your deathbed, the death meditation she uses when working with people,

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