This is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

Hello everybody, quick reminder before we dive in, we've got our first live podcast coming up on September 7th, 2023 at the Armory in Boston.

We're going to have very special guests and when I say very special, I truly mean that this is going to be awesome.

It's a very small venue. So if you want tickets, go to the link in the show notes, double quick.

If this experiment works, we may start doing live shows around the country and the world. So I'm excited to see how this plays out.

Let's talk about today's episode though.

I may have made this observation before on the show and it may not even be an original observation. However, it is my view that one of life's most fascinating and thorny paradoxes.

Is that on the one hand, we need other people in order to be happy. On the other hand, other people can be a gigantic pain in the ass as the French existentialist writer Jean Paul Sartre once said, hell is other people.

And yet we know from science that perhaps on a much deeper level, hell is loneliness, which can really degrade us both psychologically and physiologically, which leaves us with a tricky task.

If we want to take our happiness seriously, we need to cultivate good relationships while being aware that this should ain't easy.

All of which brings me to today's guest who has become an expert in toxic people, where she calls them emotionally immature people.

We've had the clinical psychologist Lindsey C Gibson on the show once before that was last year in 2022.

And it was one of the best performing episodes of the year. So we thought we'd have her back because she's out with a new book called Disentangling from emotionally immature people. It's the fourth in her ongoing series on this topic.

In this conversation, we start with a run through of the basics on the cardinal characteristics of emotionally immature people or EIPs, how to spot them and why you might want to.

Then we turn to what Dr Gibson means by disentangling from EIPs and how to do it. By the way, disentangling does not necessarily mean a strange.

What often happens to your own sense of self when you're in relationship or even just in a conversation with an EIP, how to best interact with an EIP specifically had a prevent brains,

scramble when you're talking with somebody who isn't making any attempt to understand what you're saying, how she, Lindsey reacts when she comes across EIPs in her everyday life, whether it's possible to have immature characteristics without being an EIP, handling your own emotionally immature tendencies, whether or not EIPs can change the limits of a strangement and why she encourages alternatives to forgiveness.

One quick audio note here, you may hear a few stray background noises on Lindsey's end. That's the nature of remote recording.

Before we get started with today's episode, if you've been around TPH land for any length of time, you've probably heard me name drop Joseph Goldstein, he started out as my meditation teacher then became my friend and then we teamed up to help start the 10% happier meditation app.

And I just wanted to remind you that there is a ton of content featuring Joseph and his humor and wisdom over on the app where he's the lead teacher on six different courses.

I'd recommend you start with the basics, which features you were truly in Joseph talking about how to achieve perfect imperturbability and bulletproof bliss, actually just kidding.

It's just about how to get 10% happier through basic meditation. It's free. If you want to check it out, I encourage you to do so. Download the 10% happier app today wherever you get your apps now on with the show.

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