Hey folks, really excited about the show today because it features another great conversation

in our How They Got Their Series. Today the conversation is with Dan Chabell. Dan is a

New York Times best-selling author, a serial entrepreneur, startup advisor, and an expert in the

career and workplace fields. He has been recognized on several lists including Ink Magazine's 30 Under

30. Please enjoy this conversation with Dan Chabell. Well Dan, I'm excited to hear your story because

what I know is New York Times best-selling author, best-selling author of multiple books,

you're a managing partner of a super awesome research firm, you're a thought leader in all the

things, but I want to go back and I want to know at what point does Dan maybe even a young Dan,

how old are you when you start to think hey I have a sense of where I might want to go or

did you not have that and you just kind of bounced around a little bit and then there was a

moment of clarity. Take me back. Well my best advice is that you need to do as much as you can and

have as many experiences as possible as early in your life as possible. That is like my best advice

because I had my first job when I was 13 years old, I was in the service business as a working

as a caterer at my temple so I learned how to deal with difficult people and so I always say to

people everyone should have a service job. A waiter, you know caterer, cashier, something where you're

interacting with people and you're learning how to create real good strong relationships with others

and then my senior year of college I had my first internship and I learned that I don't like sales

or just don't like selling something I don't believe in because I was selling phone auditing.

So I made a thousand coal collars during that coal calls during that summer and got no sales.

So I was like this is not for me but I learned I learned where my strengths are I learned that

it's important to sell something you believe in so even though it didn't turn out well for me and

and you know it was a rough summer I also learned more about myself see all these experiences all

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