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As folks likely know, last Friday marked a year since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

There have been over 8,000 civilian deaths in Ukraine since the invasion began, according to the UN.

According to Ukraine, it's lost 9,000 troops in the fighting and Russia has lost 40 to 60,000

according to the British Ministry of Defense.

8,000,000 refugees fled Ukraine since the invasion and 5,500,000 were displaced internally,

although about 5,500,000 have returned to their homes from both abroad and within the country since.

We spoke a little bit last Tuesday about what Americans think of the United States involvement in the conflict a year on.

In a nutshell, the majority or clear plurality of Americans still support the approach the U.S. is taking,

reviving economic sanctions, sending arms and accepting refugees, although there has been some softening of support for these measures, mostly coming from Republicans.

Today, I want to do something a little different and invite back two experts on the conflict who we spoke with almost exactly a year ago.

I'm curious to hear how the past year unfolded in comparison to what they expected and where things might go from here.

Joining us today is Samuel Cherub, a senior political scientist at the nonpartisan Think Tank, the Rand Corporation.

He's the author of the book, Everyone Loses, the Ukraine Crisis, and the ruinous contest for post-Soviet Eurasia.

Welcome back to the podcast.

Thanks for having me.

All you hear about us is James Ackton, a physicist and co-director of the Nuclear Policy Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

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