This is hell.

This is hell and the law as it stands right now allows for the torture of solitary confinement, promotes the prison industry charging low wages or giving low wages, poor conditions for staff and those in detention and increasingly

surveilled and criminalized public for its profits. Making it even worse, we are all complicit in

our inhumane system that is nothing like any other on the planet. Here to help us have a better

understanding of an industry too few recognized Bianca Tilek. It's is co-author with worth rises of the prison industry

how it works and who profits you can get the book directly from the publisher at newpress

org or you can go to the worth rises website at worthrises.org bianca thank you for your patience

with us today due to the breaking news that happened this morning.

Thank you so much for being on our show and welcome to This Is Hell.

Thank you so much for having me.

So you, right, we are living in a watershed moment created by generations of principled struggle led by black, brown, and indigenous peoples.

Outrage about brutal police killings and neglect and abuse and prisons in jails has finally bubbled over and led to calls for the abolition of the carceral state.

How aware is the public with not only the people who engaged in those generations of struggle,

but the strategy, the techniques of those struggles that succeeded, this is an

important part of American history. How well are we taught about those who struggled and how

they overcame the odds to expand our rights? Well, you know, I don't think we're taught very

well. And obviously, as you know and your audience probably knows,

that history, I think, is being eroded over and over right now,

kind of in our, you know, civic education for our young people.

I think, you know, those who seek it out certainly can know what those battles have been.

But with an administration and state governments that are looking to erase things like slavery

from our history, it's, you know, increasingly the case that children being raised, you know, people aren't familiar

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