The liberal media facilitated genocide. Quite a striking statement to make. Some of you might go,

why talk about just the liberal media? Were they the least bad during the genocide? What about

Fox News and all the aggressively right-wing Trump-supporting channels? Isn't that where we should be

focusing out fire? Well, actually, there's a very particular role that the liberal media played as a

brilliant new book called How to Seller Genocide, The Media's Complicity in the Destruction of Garza by

Adam Johnson, my guest, that's the book he's just published. Brilliant book. Everyone

go and get it. Adam, let's firstly welcome. Great to speak to you. Thank you for having me on. Okay, so people might go. We'll talk about, I mean, really striking evidence in this book. It's very, going through, very persuasive evidence, the stats, the data, you know, everything from the headlines to what's written, what's omitted, how things are framed.

But people might go, oh, why are you picking on the liberal media?

I mean, surely they did actually better than, say, Fox News or just really, you know,

the NY post or whatever, the really aggressive Trump supporting media.

Why are the liberal media?

What's specific about it?

I mean, that is a great question. It's addressed in the introduction quite explicitly because I do think that when you do

media criticism, there's an assumption that to the extent to which a media critic can intervene,

it's based on kind of moral abstractions versus the actual leverage that those media have. And so generally speaking, there's a kind of baseline foaming right-wingness to American culture

that doesn't really need a lot of salesmanship.

And that's why the book is called How to Sell a Genocide.

I'm not being provocative.

Genocide, in this instance, needed to be sold to some meaningful percentage of the public

to create political space and the conditions of endless U.S. support for a genocide. And first off,

there was a Democratic president. So selling liberals was very important to that, to provide

space and to provide ideological frameworks for a Democrat to support genocide. But also, you have that foaming baseline

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