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I think this is a real inflection point for a variety of reasons.

And I say this, knowing that a lot of feminists are really pissed off at men for thousands of years of heteronormative patriarchy.

And I really want to wanna say I see that.

And also, it's like how do we move into what's next?

And we just see that in crime statistics, incarceration rates,

suicide rates, violence against women rates.

It's like, okay, we need to find a different approach.

What we're doing is not working. And I can tell you from 40,000 young men later,

that when given the space to be open and heard and seen, they absolutely show up.

Hunter Johnson is a changemaker. But if you rewind to his teenage years, making waves wasn't on his mind. Like most kids,

he just wanted to fit in. Yeah, we live for the stories of the weekend of just like,

you know, at our school dance, how many girls could you kiss, you know? And it wasn't from a place

of like we wanted to treat women poorly, but it became about status amongst our group.

But I did also know at some level it wasn't exactly right.

And there wasn't a level of like embodied respect and integrity inside of it.

But what was more important to me at that stage of my consciousness was being cool amongst my mates.

Is that the embodied sort of respect and knowing that at a deeper level, is that asking a lot of a teenager?

Like you sound like a pretty standard, you were a pretty standard teenager.

It's a really good question. I think depends on the context that that child is growing up in.

And Hunter's context, though it wouldn't last, was rugby.

Yeah, so at that time I wanted to play rugby for Australia and things were looking great,

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