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The Reason Roundtable

How the Epstein Files Turned MAGA Against Trump

The Reason Roundtable

The Reason Roundtable

News, Politics

4.51.5K Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Plus: Tariff rollbacks and the affordability debate, Trump considers direct talks with Maduro as unauthorized strikes continue, and a listener asks what it would take to move healthcare out of government hands

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0:00.0

The Epstein Files are tearing MAGA apart.

0:10.8

Donald Trump now says that he wants a vote on the Epstein Files, too.

0:14.5

Is this a sign that Trump is losing his grip on the GOP?

0:18.1

And what does any of this have to do with Trump changing his mind about tariffs?

0:23.9

Welcome to the Reason Roundtable. This is your Libertarian Review of News and Culture from the editors

0:28.2

of Reason magazine and friends. I am your host, Peter Souterman, and today I'm joined by my

0:33.5

colleagues, Catherine Mangy Award, Nick Gillespie, and special guest, Reasons very own, Eric Bame.

0:39.4

Okay, so last week, 20,000 emails from Epstein were made public by the House Oversight Committee.

0:44.6

Some of them did mention Trump, but it's not clear they actually added a whole lot of new

0:48.6

information. It's not clear they really told us anything.

0:51.3

Trump's been trying to stop the House from having a vote to release even more files. We don't know what's in those files. But now, now after Trump trying for months to stop to stop the House from having a vote, he says he wants one after all. And some reports say that a vote could come as soon as Tuesday. Catherine, let's start with you. What do you

1:12.0

make of this? Why did Donald Trump flip? Why does Donald Trump do anything, man, to save his own

1:18.3

butt? Like, he realized that things were too far gone. I do always love a, like, last couple of

1:26.3

remaining libertarians on the Hill and Ro Khanna collab.

1:30.2

And this has that going for it.

1:32.2

Thomas Masty and kind of joined up to basically just do a like,

1:37.6

why don't you release those things already?

1:39.9

Bill, which has kind of put Trump against the wall. He has, to be clear, only said he favors the

1:47.8

House acting on it. He has declined to comment both about whether the Senate should do anything

1:54.5

and also about whether he would sign it if it came to his desk, which. And the reporting on the

1:59.2

Senate is that it faces long odds in the Senate, and also,

2:03.4

I guess he could veto it unless they get a veto-proof majority, which is something that Thomas

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