How the CCP Monetizes the Bodies of Its Prisoners | Matthew Robertson

American Thought Leaders

The Epoch Times

Government, News, Politics

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🗓️ 3 October 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

The Chinese communist regime has “created a market in the organs of their political enemies,” says Matthew Robertson, a researcher who has been investigating China’s organ transplant system for more than a decade.

Fluent in Mandarin, Robertson is a China studies research fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation and co-author of a number of research papers on China’s organ transplant system including, “Execution by organ procurement: Breaching the dead donor rule in China.”

After conducting a forensic review of thousands of Chinese research papers, they found 71 cases where violations of the dead donor rule were essentially written into the paper itself.

In a moment that stunned the world, Chinese leader Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin were recently caught on a hot mic with their translators talking about increasing longevity through repeated organ transplants.

What is the true extent of China’s forced organ harvesting industry? How are physicians in China complicit? It’s been known for many years that practitioners of the Falun Gong spiritual practice have been a prime target—but are they the only ones?

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

Editor’s Note: Matthew Robertson previously worked as a journalist for The Epoch Times.

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0:00.0	There's at least one instance where a hospital and a work camp are literally next door
0:06.4	to each other with a crematorium.
0:09.4	In 2005, a Chinese official publicly admitted that China was sourcing the vast majority
0:14.8	of its organs from prisoners.
0:16.8	The Chinese regime claims they've stopped, but have they really? Chinese medical publications show quite explicitly that the donor was not deceased
0:26.6	by any medical or legal criterion.
0:29.1	For over a decade, Matthew Robertson has been researching China's organ transplant system.
0:34.1	There are accounts by survivors of strange medical examinations, urine tests that are
0:43.1	repeated, ultrasounds of abdominal organs, CT scans, blood tests. Fluent in Mandarin Chinese,
0:51.2	Robertson is a China program research fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial
0:55.5	Foundation.
0:57.0	In a state like China, the medical profession does not have actual professional autonomy,
1:02.3	like it's an arm of the state.
1:04.0	He's the co-author of a number of research papers on this topic.
1:07.0	They created a market in the organs of their political enemies.
1:11.7	This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Janja Kellogg.
1:19.0	Matthew Robertson, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.
1:22.7	Hello, Jan.
1:23.5	You describe it as state-sponsored organ trafficking.
1:30.3	Sometimes it's called forced organ harvesting. I've described it as a murder for organs industry and communist China.
1:36.3	Bottom line is something terrible is happening over there.
1:39.3	And if you were to describe it to someone who's maybe skeptical or who hasn't heard about it
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