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Jared Horvath, welcome to the show.

I really appreciate it. I have your book, Digital Delusions Right here.

I read it.

And, you know, I want to start off this conversation by saying that you're really clear that you're not anti-technology, because I think everybody gets defensive or, you know, up in arms. You're just pro-learning. And you defer a lot to kind of the mechanisms of learning for people. So what I think is important in setting the table is we know technology is not going anywhere.

This in itself feels overwhelming.

And there's still things we can do and be a part of improving kind of where we're headed.

And that's how I look at it. And that's, and I think you nailed it,

is you could make the case, let's just scrap all tech and go back to 1980. It's just never

going to happen. It's been too long. It's too ingrained in everything we do. So the better

argument is to just say, what are we going for? What is our ultimate goal

in whatever situation we're in? And you'd assume in school, the ultimate goal is learning. So now you can say, all right, if that's our aim, if that's our outcome, what's the best way to achieve it? What are the best ways to get there? And you tend to find out that most of the time that's not going to involve tech, unfortunately. Yeah, I know. It's tricky. And to start off the conversation,

just at the top, you have a lot of... find out that most of the time that's not going to involve tech, unfortunately. Yeah, I know. It's tricky.

And to start off the conversation just at the top, you have a lot of, and forgive me,

because it's all acronyms, you know, over 21,000, you know, meta analysis on 21,000 students.

It's four different groups. The tests are, what is it, PISA, T-I-M-S, and P-R-LS. You know, you were a teacher who became a neuroscientist. So this isn't sort of like, well, in my experience, this is a large swath and some real data. Yeah. So if I started my career as a teacher. So back in the day, that was my only passion.

That's what I cared about. But I was teaching during the decade of the brain. So that's where I figured, all right, I'll go learn neuroscience to make me a better teacher. And unfortunately, that kind of veered my whole life. And now I'm straight research. But my focus has always been on what we call the science of learning. How do human beings learn?

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