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H.B.R. presents. Hi there. I'm Azimazar and you're listening to my exponential view podcast

every week I come together with a brilliant mind to discuss the intricate dance of

technology and society in a rapidly changing world. Now my guest today is an open source hacker, conservative

anarchist who's thinking really deeply about internet governance and

internet culture. She also happens to be Taiwan's first digital minister, Audrey Tang. Now this is a wide-ranging conversation where Audrey and I spent a lot of time talking about internet culture and open source and the idea of

open internet governance and we applied some of these ideas to frame questions like

election interference, online misinformation and echo chambers, and how you make the internet

a healthy part of functioning democracies which today many people may feel it has been somewhat antithetical towards.

Now under Minister Tang's digital leadership, Taiwan which only held its first general election in 1996

has had an impressive success in using some online tools to foster genuine

civic engagement and consensus.

I wanted to find out how they had done it.

I also wanted to find out whether their commitment to digital openness and radical transparency

can hold up in the face of competition and political friction with the People's Republic of China

and in the face of what could be growing fragmentation and desire for technological

sovereignty from many nations across the world.

It's a really fantastic conversation.

I really hope you enjoy it.

One last note before we get going, there were a couple of audio issues during this recording.

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