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Welcome to Hard Knocks. So first of all, I'm really happy to talk to you.

I feel like we are, we're both Pacific Northwest girls, right? Are you familiar with Kristen and Vila Yokinen,

by the way? I know that the like the adventurer world can be pretty small. It's very small.

Yeah. Do you, are you familiar with them? Have you ever met them before? Okay. Awesome. I love that.

I love whenever anybody says like, oh, do you know?

I'm like, there's a 90% chance, yes, because it's so tiny.

It's the tiniest world.

Absolutely.

And I interviewed them when their book Joy Ride Odyssey from Alaska,

and Argentina came out.

And one of the sort of takeaways that I had from especially chatting with Kristen was

we could have been each other. Like we're both Pacific Northwest girls. There's something about

being a Pacific Northwest girl that lends itself to outdoor adventure. So first of all,

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