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Pulling The Thread with Elise Loehnen

How Spiral Dynamics Can Help Us Respond Right Now (Monthly Solo)

Pulling The Thread with Elise Loehnen

Lemonada Media

Education, Self-improvement

4.81.2K Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

In this month’s solo episode, I’m sharing more about the model of developmental psychology that I’m finding incredibly useful right now: Spiral Dynamics. As a framework, I think it can help us understand our world and culture better—and it can guide us in the best, and most effective ways to respond to it.  If you want to go deeper into Spiral Dynamics, there is a ton more for you in the show notes on my Substack. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Lemonada.

0:05.7

Hi, it's Elise Loonan, host of Pulling the Thread, and it's time for my monthly solo.

0:16.5

Hey there, it's Julia Louis Dreyfus. I'm back with a new season of Wiser Than Me,

0:22.3

the show where I sit down with remarkable older women and soak up their stories,

0:28.2

their humor, and their hard-earned wisdom. Every conversation leaves me a little smarter

0:33.9

and definitely more inspired. And yes, I'm still calling my 91-year-old mom, Judy, to get her take on it all.

0:43.1

Wiser than me from Lemonada Media is out now, wherever you get your podcasts.

0:54.0

Hey, it's me, Steve Burns, and I'm so glad you're here because you and I go way back, right?

0:59.9

Yeah.

1:00.5

And look at us now.

1:01.8

Like, we're all grown up.

1:02.9

We've got this new podcast where we talk about all this grown up stuff and there's special guests like Jamie Lee Curtis and Bill Nye.

1:10.2

But for the most part, it's about you. I mean, it's always been about you. From Lemonada Media, alive with Steve Burns is coming September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts,, host of Pulling the Thread.

1:38.0

On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here.

1:45.9

My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all collectively

1:51.4

learn and grow. So I think like many of you, all of you, I'm guessing if you like this show, I'm experiencing

2:03.1

whiplash and already a fair amount of fatigue from mayhem, chaos, violence, pain, suffering.

2:15.4

It has been a pretty inauspicious start to the year, I would say, for humanity.

2:22.0

And I'd be lying if I said that I had any certain or fixed ideas about what all is unfolding,

2:30.9

just that I know that the disorder will continue and also that I have faith that we

2:39.0

are going to pull through and that this is a bit like an alchemical turn where the coal is becoming gold. And I think we have to have faith somehow that this is

2:57.3

growing a lot of us up really quickly and that there is hopefully, as much as we're seeing a lot

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