Welcome to If Then, The Show About How Technology is Changing Our Lives and Our Future. I'm April Glazer.

And I'm Will Oremus.

Hey, everyone. Welcome to If Then. We're coming to you from Slate and Future Tense, a partnership

between Slate, Arizona State University, and New America. We're recording this on the

afternoon of Tuesday, October 16th. On today's show, we'll talk about the continuing saga

that is Facebook's effort to fix itself, ideally without breaking everything else in the process.

On Friday, Facebook finally told us more about the huge hack that it first announced last month.

The good news there is that fewer users may have been affected than originally thought.

The bad news is that there were still almost 30 million people affected,

and the hackers got a lot of their personal information. We'll talk

about what was stolen and why it matters. We'll also say a few words about Paul Allen, the co-founder

of Microsoft, who died this week at age 65. Then we'll be joined by Senator Mark Warner from Virginia.

Warner is the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee that is conducting its

investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

This summer, he released a policy paper that proposed possible regulations for U.S. social media and technology companies.

We'll talk to him about what worries him most about the largely unregulated tech industry, one that can't seem to keep our data private and stop muddying our elections. We'll

ask him what he thinks Congress can do to rein these companies in. And as always, we'll end with Don't Close My Tabs, some of the best things we saw on the web this week. All right, April, how are you doing this week? I'm good. I'm really excited about our upcoming interview. It's the first time we've had a U.S. Senator on the show and especially one that's just so central to our beat, Mark Warner.

So very excited about that and I've been prepping for that for a few days. How are you doing well? I'm doing well, thanks. I'm recording on a chilly fall day in Wilmington, Delaware. Why don't we start with Paul Allen, shall we? Yes, the co-founder of Microsoft, who we learned past this week at age 65.

That's right. He died of non-hundred. Paul Allen, shall we? Yes, the co-founder of Microsoft, who we learned past this week at age 65.

That's right. He died of non-Hodgkins lymphoma, and he had known since I think age 30 that he had

Hodgkin's disease. That's when he left Microsoft. So he was actually only there for a few years,

but he was pivotal, obviously, in the

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