Brian Lear on WNYC and to wrap up the show today a call in along with a name and a voice who some of you

astute WNY listeners will remember Jim O'Grady.

Maybe you saw Jim's recent piece in the New York Times

magazine.

It's a letter of recommendation.

And here's what it's about in brief.

In difficult times or amid what he calls

unreasonable fear that is leaching the color

from your life, Jim recommends the comfort of saints.

He writes the saint, doesn't have to be a literal official Catholic one.

They can be anyone who objected a life of maximal self-interest in favor of radical service.

Well, Jim O'Grady these days

is a frequent podcast reporter, producer, and editor

in a previous life.

He was a WNYC reporter.

This piece in the New York Times magazine is you don't have to be perfect to live like a saint.

Hey Jim, welcome back to WNC. Glad you could join us.

Hi Brian, it's so good to be here. Thanks having me and listeners who are the Saints who help you

navigate life's challenges or offer spiritual guidance whether they're literal Catholic Saints or people who embodied radical service

unrelated to religion. Do you have such a person who you turn to in your heart

and in your head? 21212, 433, WNYC, 212, 433, 962.

And first, Tim, I want to just say, it sounds really hard hard to be as you put it in your piece

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