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qualcom.com.com slash we invent. This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That's me. I'm part of the Vox Media

Podcast Network. I'm here at Vox Studios with Joe Hagan, who is powering up with some coffee right now. We're going to talk about sex, drugs, rock and roll, publishing business, a little bit of the Internet, some business stuff too. Joe has written an amazing book called Sticky Fingers, The Life in Times of Yon Winter and Rolling Stone magazine. Welcome, Joe. Thank you for having me, Peter. This has been on my radar for a while. This is a big book. This is a book that when it got announced was a big deal. How many years ago? Four years ago? Yeah, four years ago. I was a little three and a half. And luckily for you in some ways, it's now making a second splash because one, it's a big, important book, and two, there's a story about the story, which is the subject of your story now disavows the book

or doesn't want anything to do with it. Controversy. Controversy. It's worked that well for you.

It has. I didn't know that that was a thing that could happen, that the controversy would be,

you know, good for me. That would be part of the publicity. I did know that it could end up being

that he didn't like the book. But the outcome in my mind was that I would be like sued out of

existence or, you know, he would find a way to make it not work for me.

Make the book go away? Yeah, or something like that. So it's not been that, and I've been thankful for that.

This is a long comprehensive biography of Jan Wenner, who many people listening to this podcast

will know, but in case people don't, was the creator still owns Rolling Stone or at least

half of Rolling Stone magazine.

And for a long period was a really big deal in American publishing, American media.

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