From the ACLU, this is at Liberty, a podcast about the civil rights and civil liberties questions of our time.

I'm Mia Jacobs, a strategist here with the ACLU's reproductive freedom team, and I'm so excited to be a guest host for this episode.

A quick note for listeners, please excuse the audio quality in this interview.

Both Renee and I were doing our best in this time of COVID-19.

The calls of activists have forced a national reckoning with the legacy of white supremacy

in our country.

That reckoning has led us to an examination of systems that exert control over black lives,

from policing to reproductive health care.

There is a long history of the ways that reproductive freedom has been denied to black women,

and there is an important story of the ways that people of color,

led by black women, have built movements to liberate themselves and reclaim that freedom.

Joining us to discuss is Renee Bracey Sherman, the founder and executive director of We

Testify, an organization dedicated to telling the stories of people who have had abortions,

and the owner of perhaps the coolest Twitter bio, the Beyonce of Abortion Storytelling.

Renee, welcome to the podcast.

Thanks for having me.

Thank you for being here.

I'm really, really excited.

Okay, Renee, so I'd love to orient our audience before we dig in

with something simple. You're a reproductive justice activist. Give us the big picture. What is

reproductive justice and where does this movement originate? Yeah, so reproductive justice is a

human rights framework that was coined almost 30 years ago by a dozen

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