From the ACLU, this is at Liberty, a podcast about the civil rights and civil liberties questions of our time.

I'm Kendall Seesmeyer, the producer of this podcast and your host for this episode.

Brianna Taylor, Richard Brooks, Ria Milton, Remy Fels, Tony McDade, George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Toyan Salau, Elijah McLean.

All Black Americans still awaiting justice for their wrongful deaths, and we know there are more.

In the last month, protests have erupted across the country, calling for justice for black lives, a wholesale restructuring of

policing, and a greater racial reckoning across all facets of American society. It feels like

changes in the air, but we've been here before.

Eric Garner was killed by police in New York City in July of 2014, followed weeks later by Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, igniting both outrage and protest.

Activists then hoped for change, too.

We've seen countless social justice movements, surge in popularity,

cause a stir, and then peter out weeks or months later. This time, to many, however, feels different.

But how do we actually ensure that it is different? Joining us to discuss how we sustain movements and compel real change is Brittany Pachnick Cunningham, an activist, educator,

and writer who has been on the front lines of these conversations most prominently since the

Ferguson protests. Brittany, thank you so much for joining us. Hey, Kendall. Thanks for having me.

So for context for our audience, I've known you, Brittany, for a few years now.

For a little while.

Yeah.

We spoke briefly right after the protest ignited.

It's now been about a month since.

And I'm wondering where your head's at right now.

What are you thinking about?

Yeah.

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