You're listening to Podcasting Made Simple. Hey everyone, Alex Sanfilippo here, your host today. And I am honored to be joined by my friend Pat Flynn today. Pat, welcome back to podcasting Made Simple. Thank you, man. Excited to be here. Yeah, I'm really excited about the topic for today. We're going to be talking about this idea of a lean learning lifestyle. And it goes right along with your book titled Lean Learning.

And I'll share more about that and some exciting things with it later on for everybody. So

stay tuned for that for sure. But Pat, I just wanted to really say thank you for this book.

I think it comes at one of the most pivotal points, at least in the online learning world.

I really am very grateful for what you have done here. I think that this conversation is going to be so valuable today. And Pat, as you know, the listeners here and the people joining us are podcast hosts and podcast guests, which I just believe are the people kind of at the center of this whole learning thing, right? So finding a way to do this really well and efficiently as the world kind of evolve, especially the online space, it's just going to be so, so important. And so this is really talking about how podcasters, guests, can achieve more by doing less. And Pat, thank you again for putting this together, man. Yeah, my pleasure. From the perspective of a creator, this is really important from the perspective of a consumer of information and how we're all overwhelmed. This is very important. And I started this process four years ago, and it was

already important back then, but it's gotten even more important now, especially with AI and just

how things are going where the world is shifting. So I'm excited to dive in and hopefully

hit the mark for a lot of people. Very cool, man. I think the best place probably starts with a

definition of lean learning. Can you describe what this means to us? Yeah, the real idea here is it's determining the difference between just in case learning, which is trying to pile everything into our brains just in case we need it. And of course, we're overwhelmed. And we treat information like it's a scarce food source, right? Like, if you imagine back in caveman days, if you find a food source, you get it, you grab it, because you might not find another one later, right? You hoard it. And we're treating information in the same way because it once used to be just as scarce. And this is what was cool as creators as well. Like, you could create information and it didn't exist before, and then you could get authority. You could build a brand and some awareness in that regard. However, now, with all the information that's available, I mean, anything that you could ever need and one is there times a thousand. And it's not slowing down either. We're at a buffet line of info now. And not only are we still trained to sort of like hoard all of that and fill our plates, but a lot of these things like algorithms are force feeding us, all of it, all of it, right? And so we're overwhelmed, we're sluggish. Even though we have access to the most and best information now, we're seemingly further behind. So it's the difference between just in case learning, which is what we want to avoid, and just in time learning, finding the things we need from the right resources at the right time that we need them, and then implementing. And then there's a lot of principles that go along with that from understanding that mistakes and failure are a part of the process. That was something that I ingrained into my kids, and then I try to teach them and even had to learn myself because I grew up a perfectionist. I grew up somebody who was trying to get perfect grades and thought I was a failure if I didn't do that. But in order to grow, in order to learn, especially in businesses, especially as creators, you have to learn how to fail and you have to learn how to learn from those failures. And so that's exactly what this is about, the difference between just in case learning and just in time learning. Now, there's a lot more to that, obviously, and finding the right

resources and defining what matters to you and finding the right colleagues and, as I call,

champions around you to support you on your journey and you to support them as well. A lot of the

stuff in the book is not like revolutionary. It's not new. It's almost in a way

going back to how things used to be before the internet. We used to learn by finding the resource

that we needed at the right time. You are doing a research project. You go to the library to find

a book on that, implement it and then figure it out as you go. Go back even further. If you were

learning how to become like a blacksmith, you learned from a pro blacksmith who would show you and kind of

get you right there in the forge and maybe you burn yourself a little bit here and there but that's how

you learn and then you go become a master a master blacksmith so i mean mastery is what we all want

and we think it's more

information that we need when really it's more implementation. And this book helps people navigate

the world we live in today. I think back to something I mentioned a couple of years ago,

was actually on podcasting made simple. I talked about how I believe the information age is

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