It's not too often that any one of us is going to fall victim to a scam.

It's a risk, but it's not such a huge risk that we should be worried about it every moment of

every day. We should be worried about it when it matters. And there's some things that you can

kind of learn up the top that you just know, at least for the scams that are available right now,

are always going to be scams.

Hello and welcome to the Psychology podcast. Today we welcome Daniel Simmons and Christopher

to the show. Daniel Simmons is a professor of psychology at the University of Illinois where he

heads the visual cognition laboratory. His research explores the limits of awareness and memory.

The reasons why we often are unaware of those limits and the implications for our personal

and professional lives. Christopher Shibery is professor and co-director of the behavioral and

decision sciences program at Geisinger Health System. He's also a faculty co-director of Geisinger's

behavioral insights team. From 2014 to 2017, he wrote a monthly column called Game On

for the Wall Street Journal. His essays have been published in several media outlets.

Daniel and Christopher met at Harvard University in 1997, where they began to collaborate on research.

In 2004, they shared the ignoble prize in psychology, awarded for the invisible guerrilla

experiment. Together, they co-authored the New York Times bestselling book of the same name.

Their latest book is called Nobody's Full, why we get taken in and what we can do about it.

In this episode, I talked to Daniel and Christopher about scams and how not to get scammed.

With enough information and persuasion, anyone can fall for a scheme. According to Daniel and

Christopher, certain cognitive biases can make us vulnerable to deception. So to help us outsmart

con people, they elaborate the different types of scams and how they work, all the while giving us

tools to navigate shady situations. I really like Daniel and Christopher. I've known Christopher

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