How Not to Get Scammed || Daniel Simons & Christopher Chabris
The Psychology Podcast
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🗓️ 13 July 2023
⏱️ 16 minutes
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Summary
Today we welcome Daniel Simons and Christopher Chabris to the podcast.
Daniel Simons is a professor of psychology at the University of Illinois where he heads the Visual Cognition Laboratory. His research explores the limits of awareness and memory, the reasons why we often are unaware of those limits, and the implications for our personal and professional lives.
Christopher Chabris is professor and co-director of the Behavioral and Decision Sciences Program at Geisinger Health System. He is also faculty co-director of Geisinger's Behavioral Insights Team. From 2014 to 2017, he wrote a monthly column called GAME ON for The Wall Street Journal. His essays have been published in several media outlets.
Daniel and Christopher met at Harvard University in 1997, where they began to collaborate on research. In 2004 they shared the Ig Nobel Prize in Psychology, awarded for The Invisible Gorilla experiment. Together, they co-authored the New York Times bestselling book of the same name. Their latest book is called Nobody's Fool: Why We Get Taken In and What We Can Do About It.
In this episode I talk to Daniel and Christopher about scams and how NOT to get scammed! With enough information and persuasion, anybody can fall for a scheme. According to Daniel and Christopher, certain cognitive biases can make us vulnerable to deception. To help us outsmart con artists, they elaborate the different types of scams and how they work, all the while giving us tools to navigate shady situations.
Website: dansimons.com & chabris.com
Twitter: @profsimons & @cfchabris
Topics
03:20 Nobody’s Fool
07:54 Using AI for deception
10:13 The truth bias
12:42 Fixed belief bias
16:40 The possibility grid
22:27 Scamming through social media
24:21 The Nigerian email scam
27:19 Scam baiting
29:01 Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi scheme
35:16 Are mediums scammers?
36:47 Why do people ignore red flags?
38:59 The Tinder Swindler and romance scams
44:05 Highly successful people get scammed too
47:17 When to be skeptical
54:37 Accept less, check more
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| 0:00.0 | It's not too often that any one of us is going to fall victim to a scam. |
| 0:04.7 | It's a risk, but it's not such a huge risk that we should be worried about it every moment of |
| 0:09.8 | every day. We should be worried about it when it matters. And there's some things that you can |
| 0:13.9 | kind of learn up the top that you just know, at least for the scams that are available right now, |
| 0:18.5 | are always going to be scams. |
| 0:24.2 | Hello and welcome to the Psychology podcast. Today we welcome Daniel Simmons and Christopher |
| 0:30.0 | to the show. Daniel Simmons is a professor of psychology at the University of Illinois where he |
| 0:35.1 | heads the visual cognition laboratory. His research explores the limits of awareness and memory. |
| 0:40.6 | The reasons why we often are unaware of those limits and the implications for our personal |
| 0:45.2 | and professional lives. Christopher Shibery is professor and co-director of the behavioral and |
| 0:50.5 | decision sciences program at Geisinger Health System. He's also a faculty co-director of Geisinger's |
| 0:56.8 | behavioral insights team. From 2014 to 2017, he wrote a monthly column called Game On |
| 1:03.0 | for the Wall Street Journal. His essays have been published in several media outlets. |
| 1:07.7 | Daniel and Christopher met at Harvard University in 1997, where they began to collaborate on research. |
| 1:13.6 | In 2004, they shared the ignoble prize in psychology, awarded for the invisible guerrilla |
| 1:19.1 | experiment. Together, they co-authored the New York Times bestselling book of the same name. |
| 1:23.6 | Their latest book is called Nobody's Full, why we get taken in and what we can do about it. |
| 1:29.5 | In this episode, I talked to Daniel and Christopher about scams and how not to get scammed. |
| 1:34.5 | With enough information and persuasion, anyone can fall for a scheme. According to Daniel and |
| 1:40.0 | Christopher, certain cognitive biases can make us vulnerable to deception. So to help us outsmart |
| 1:45.9 | con people, they elaborate the different types of scams and how they work, all the while giving us |
| 1:50.9 | tools to navigate shady situations. I really like Daniel and Christopher. I've known Christopher |
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