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The Proof with Simon Hill

How much protein do we need | Dr Stuart Phillips and Dr Christopher Gardner

The Proof with Simon Hill

Simon Hill

Nutrition, Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness

4.9 • 3.1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 October 2022

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

In Episode #228, I sit down with Dr Stuart Phillips and Dr Christopher Gardner for a discourse on how much protein we really need. We discuss nitrogen balance, lack of protein vs lack of exercise, and protein restriction. We also cover protein quality, satiety, and environmental considerations. Recommended daily intake (RDA) is a key factor in this conversation, with discussion points including its definition, the studies used to inform it, and whether you should eat above it. There is ongoing conversation about protein requirements across all eating patterns, with this contentious topic often sparking debate on social media. With protein regularly used as a marketing tool or to push an agenda, many online sources are diluted and separated from the evidence. Dr Gardner and Dr Phillips – both from different fields – have recently taken varying stances on protein, engaging in a Twitter dialogue. In this episode, we bring both of their informed perspectives to the table, and ask: how much do their opinions really differ? Specifically, we discuss: Intro (0:00) Analyzing the RDA for Protein (3:13) What is Optimal? (17:36) Dr. Gardner’s Approach to Protein (22:25) Aging & Muscle Preservation (33:38) How much is TOO much? (38:32) Plant Protein (44:21) Environmental Concerns (56:54) Satiety (1:01:52) Outro (1:07:24) You can connect with Dr Christopher Gardner on Twitter. Learn more about Dr Stuart Phillips on his faculty page, and connect with him on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. Head to theproof.com/podcast for the full show notes. Enjoy, friends. Simon Want to support the show? The best way to support the show is to use the products and services offered by our sponsors. To check them out, and enjoy great savings, visit theproof.com/friends. Simon Hill, Msc, Bsc (Hons) Creator of Theproof.com and host of The Proof with Simon Hill Author of The Proof is in the Plants Watch the episodes on YouTube, or Listen on Apple/Spotify Connect with me on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook Download my complimentary two week meal plan and high protein plant performance recipe book

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0:00.0

Hey there, I've got a very quick message to share with you before we jump into the episode.

0:06.5

Let's keep this under 30 seconds, shall we?

0:09.9

This episode is proudly brought to you by Amille.

0:11.9

Amille is a plant-based wellness company focused on formulating evidence-based supplements

0:16.6

to optimize our health.

0:18.2

I personally take Amille's essential aid multi-nutrient, so I start my day, which contains eight

0:23.7

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0:28.5

diet.

0:29.5

Amille offers no magic pills or hyperbolic claims, just good quality supplements that we

0:34.8

can trust.

0:35.8

To check out Amille and get 10% off your first order, visit theproof.com forward slash friends.

0:41.4

I'll pop a link to that in the show notes.

0:45.0

You may have heard me say this on other podcasts, but this is something on which my opinion

0:50.1

has changed.

0:51.1

You asked me 25 years ago when I first started exactly like Chris.

0:54.3

I'm like, no animal proteins are higher quality.

0:57.4

They've got more essential amino acids, they're more digestible.

1:00.5

And I began to think that that's less and less in fact for the most part, it's a non-issue.

1:08.1

Welcome to theproof podcast, a space for science-based conversation exploring the health and longevity

1:13.7

benefits that come with mastering nutrition, physical exercise, mindfulness, recovery,

1:20.1

sleep, and alignment.

1:22.2

Thanks, nuanced, and trustworthy recommendations minus the hyperbolic.

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