My name is Ben Greenfield and on this episode of the Ben Greenfield Life Podcast.

We're not here to argue that keto diet is terrible. We're saying that the beneficial effects that we may see in some of these states may be from a specific effect and is not actually from the stress effect.

And so when you have obesity or diabetes or degenerative states, you actually don't see elevated levels of ATP. You see the direction of excess substrate is Michael saying toward fat stores for example.

That's a dogma of exercise is that you stress the body and it responds by becoming stronger. Are you saying that that's not true?

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or whether all these fats like garbage restriction and saunas and cold and calorie restriction are actually necessary for lifespan or maybe a waste of your time whether this whole

or me this thing is blown out of proportion well you stumbled across the right episode for you my guests on today show actually have this entire what they call a bio energetics model of energy

energy and they actually have some some pretty strong feelings about problems with or me says in calorie restriction fasting ketogenic diets and cold thermogenesis and a lot of popular supplements and Wim Hof breathwork and all these things so I figured I

would have them on the show to chat about all this and my first guess on today's show is Jay Feldman Jay say hello hey everybody thanks for having me open yeah for sure is a jazah health coach he's an independent health

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