How Microsoft’s AI Chief Defines ‘Humanist Super Intelligence’

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The Wall Street Journal

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🗓️ 2 July 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Few people developing artificial intelligence have as much experience in the field as Microsoft AI CEO Mustafa Suleyman. He co-founded DeepMind, helped Google develop its large language models and designed AI chatbots with personality at his former startup, Inflection AI. Now, he’s tasked with leading Microsoft’s efforts on its consumer AI products. On the latest episode of the Bold Names podcast, Suleyman speaks to WSJ’s Christopher Mims and Tim Higgins about why AI assistants are central to his plans for Microsoft’s AI future. Plus, they discuss the company’s relationship with OpenAI, and what Suleyman really thinks about “artificial general intelligence.” Check Out Past Episodes: Booz Allen CEO on Silicon Valley’s Turn to Defense Tech: ‘We Need Everybody.’ Venture Capitalist Sarah Guo’s Surprising Bet on Unsexy AI Reid Hoffman Says AI Isn’t an ‘Arms Race,’ but America Needs to Win Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff and the AI ‘Fantasy Land’ Let us know what you think of the show. Email us at [email protected] Sign up for the WSJ's free Technology newsletter. Read Christopher Mims’s Keywords column . Read Tim Higgins’s column. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:28.2	go to amazon.com.uk.uket, prime. Mims, we have one of the people who's smack in the middle of the
0:33.7	biggest tech story going on right now. Right. Mustafa Suleiman co-founded DeepMind.
0:40.0	He was at Google.
0:41.0	Now he's at Microsoft and in charge of bringing AI
0:44.0	and its partnership with Open AI to consumers through Windows,
0:47.8	through co-pilot, through all of Microsoft's products.
0:50.9	Yeah, it's a huge role.
0:52.4	And it's also one that is complicated navigating a very unusual
0:56.2	relationship with Open AI.
0:58.7	Darling of AI startups accompany with its own huge ambitions, and we're seeing it play out
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1:06.2	We get into that and many more topics in this fast-moving AI race.
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