Hello and welcome to the Bullworks next level Sunday interview. I'm your host Tim Miller our guest today David Wallace

Wells New York Times New York magazine journalist author of the

uninhabitable earth 2019 book that was based off of the 2017 essay of the same title.

We wanted an update for 2024 on how uninhabitable Earth is really going to be.

I've been going to do an episode about climate for a while,

and I think David Wallace Wells was great.

Part of the reason, you know, I get sometimes feedback from people.

There are a number of issues that I care about you

know some that code more conservative some more liberal that I don't really

talk about as much because I don't feel that I have an expertise in the subject

and climate is one of them I I think wrote in the goodbye to all that essay

about, you know, the ways which I changed

and the way which was the party changed

that led to me leaving the Republican Party.

One of the things I mentioned is that in 2008... party changed that led to me leaving the Republican Party.

One of the things I mentioned is that in 2008,

the first presidential campaign that I worked on,

John McCain ran on cap and trade.

Lindsey Graham was a big supporter of that bill. There were a number of Republicans in the Senate

in an alternate universe where John McCain becomes president in 2008. A climate bill probably

it passes as a bipartisan accomplishment and then you know probably the far right

overthrow John McCain and he gets primarilyed by I don't know proto Donald

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