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Foreign Policy Live

How Indonesia Sees the World

Foreign Policy Live

Foreign Policy

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4601 Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

U.S. foreign-policy coverage often focuses on the Middle East, China, or Europe. So, what is the view from what is sometimes called the world’s biggest invisible country? Indonesia, the world’s fourth-most populated country and third-biggest democracy, gets surprisingly little attention. How is Jakarta navigating a changing world? Former Indonesian Vice Foreign Minister Dino Patti Djalal joins FP Live.  Derek Grossman: Why Rubio’s Asia Visit Was a Total Bust Oliver Stuenkel and Margot Treadwell: Will Trump’s Unpredictable Foreign Policy Boost BRICS? Salil Tripathi: How Will Prabowo Lead Indonesia? Christopher S. Chivvis and Beatrix Geaghan-Breiner: How Washington Should Manage Rising Middle Powers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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headlines on foreign policy often focus on the Middle East, China, or Europe. I wanted to try

0:49.6

something different today. The view from what has sometimes been called the world's biggest invisible

0:56.1

country. I'm talking about Indonesia. This is a country with 280 million people, which makes it

1:05.2

the world's fourth most populated country and also its third biggest democracy after India and the United States.

1:13.9

Indonesia also has the world's biggest Muslim population, about as many people as Egypt, Iran,

1:19.8

Iraq, and Saudi Arabia combined, and yet it gets so little attention.

1:26.6

You could say this for all of Southeast Asia, actually.

1:30.9

Even though it's an important region, it doesn't feature heavily in conversations about

1:36.1

U.S. foreign policy.

1:37.7

Even when America's top diplomat, Marco Rubio, visited Malaysia for a regional conference

1:43.2

last weekend.

1:48.4

The headlines were about his meetings with his Russian and Chinese counterparts,

1:51.2

with little else on the region itself.

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