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Foreign Policy Live

Trump, Netanyahu, and the Future of the Middle East

Foreign Policy Live

Foreign Policy

Politics, News Commentary, News

4601 Ratings

🗓️ 10 July 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman sits down with Ravi Agrawal to debrief this week’s meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House. Friedman is also the author of From Beirut to Jerusalem, among other books.  Thomas L. Friedman: How Trump’s ‘Big, Beautiful Bill’ Will Make China Great Again Thomas L. Friedman: If This Mideast War Is Over, Get Ready for Some Interesting Politics Thomas L. Friedman: How the Attacks on Iran Are Part of a Much Bigger Global Struggle Adrian Karatnycky: An Emerging Trump Doctrine? Daniel C. Kurtzer and Aaron David Miller: Less Gloating and More Diplomacy Are Needed to Heal the Middle East Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:35.3

editor-in-chief. This is FP Live. So it's been a very consequential

0:43.1

year for the Middle East, and each day seems to be adding to it. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

0:49.2

Netanyahu met U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House on Monday over a dinner lasting several hours.

0:57.2

For Beebe, as he's called, it was the third visit to Washington this year.

1:03.0

The two leaders met again on Tuesday night to hash out a possible ceasefire deal in Gaza.

1:10.0

That second meeting was behind closed doors and with very

1:13.6

little reporting about what they discussed, at least as of this recording on Wednesday,

1:19.0

the 9th of July. Whatever the details, there are some bigger picture trends that are worth

1:24.3

assessing. Even if there is a ceasefire in Gaza, how do we get any closer to a

1:30.2

day after plan? In other words, who actually runs Gaza? And in Israel, if the hostages do return

1:38.1

home, will Israelis want elections? What happens then? Move beyond a potential ceasefire, and there are still a lot of

1:46.8

questions. With each passing day of devastation in Gaza, Israel has lost considerable soft power.

1:54.6

How does it contend with that? How does America contend with its role in the Gaza War?

2:01.6

And if you then zoom out all the way, even outside the Middle East, to China and beyond,

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