How ICE entered its most aggressive era — and what comes next
Apple News In Conversation
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🗓️ 29 January 2026
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
Since President Trump took office just over a year ago, federal immigration enforcement has substantially expanded — nowhere more visibly than in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where federal officers have killed two American citizens, Renee Good and Alex Pretti. Widespread protests, scrutiny of ICE operations, and questions about accountability have intensified in recent weeks. Caitlin Dickerson, staff writer for The Atlantic, sat down with Apple News In Conversation host Shumita Basu to discuss what’s happening inside ICE today — and what these latest developments could mean going forward. Listen to the full interview on Apple Podcasts.
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| 0:00.0 | This is In Conversation from Apple News. |
| 0:07.0 | I'm Shemitabasu. |
| 0:08.4 | Today, inside ICE's rapid expansion and where it could go from here. |
| 0:28.6 | Since President Trump took office just over a year ago, federal immigration enforcement has substantially expanded. |
| 0:35.6 | With a significantly larger budget and thousands of agents deployed in aggressive operations in cities across the U.S. |
| 0:41.3 | Nowhere has that escalation been more visible than in Minneapolis, where federal officers killed two American citizens in January, Renee Good and Alex Prettie, in separate incidents, |
| 0:47.9 | amplifying already intense public outcry. |
| 0:51.2 | Although the Trump administration has been quick to defend the actions of federal agents |
| 0:55.3 | in previous violent incidents ruling out excessive use of force even before investigations are |
| 1:01.0 | conducted, this week Trump struck a somewhat different tone when asked by Fox News host Will Kane |
| 1:07.4 | about Pretty's death. Well, I think the whole thing is terrible. |
| 1:15.1 | I don't like the fact that he was carrying a gun that was fully loaded, |
| 1:18.2 | and he had two magazines with him, and it's pretty unusual. |
| 1:22.7 | But nobody knows when they saw the gun, how they saw the gun, everything else. |
| 1:24.4 | Bottom line, it was terrible. |
| 1:28.6 | That slight shift in rhetoric was accompanied by a change in leadership. |
| 1:34.4 | The administration removed U.S. Border Patrol commander Greg Bovino from overseeing the Minneapolis operation and brought in border czar Tom Holman to take his place. And on Wednesday, the Department |
| 1:40.1 | of Homeland Security said the federal agents who shot Predi and Good had been placed on administrative leave. |
| 1:46.7 | President Trump is changing course, shifting his tone. |
| 1:50.4 | That's Caitlin Dickerson, a staff writer at the Atlantic. |
| 1:53.5 | I think part of that is him taking a look at the video of these two most violent incidents |
| 1:59.6 | and also just hearing from lots of people who are |
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