Hey all, Joe here and you are listening to Under the Influence.

Quick reminder to start getting those orders in for the book of the summer, the Parisian

heist. You all are going to love this one so much. It is a delicious, twisty, turny, heist story set in Paris. I mean, it is going to make you want to go to Paris so bad. And one of my goals is to throw a retreat for all of us in Paris. But to be able to do that, we've got to hit the bestseller list first. And that means we've got to get everyone ordering this book, literally everyone we know.

So shout about it from the rooftops, order one for you, order one for a friend.

Let's get this done.

Let's make this baby fly off the shelves.

And then let's all go to Paris together.

Okay, now on to today's episode.

I love this one so much.

My guest today is Eleanor Clegghorn, and she is a feminist cultural historian. And her new book is so, so much. My guest today is Eleanor Clegghorn, and she is a feminist cultural historian,

and her new book is so, so good. It's called A Woman's Work, Reclaiming the Radical History of

Mothering, and it is just a powerful and groundbreaking new narrative about the history of what it

means to be a mother, and how so much of that history has been written and then rewritten by men in order to

take control and agency away from women. Patriarchal control of motherhood has relegated the acts

of growing, birthing, nurturing, and loving to the sidelines and deemed it unimportant. But Eleanor

does such incredible research to elevate the voices of women themselves

to retell the history of motherhood in a way that actually showcases mothers and the women

who have shaped the course of history. The women who have mostly been forgotten. Here's my

conversation with Eleanor.

Okay, so I just want to jump right into this.

Why do we need and why do we deserve to reclaim the radical history of mothering right now.

I think that we are in this very particular moment where we're seeing this scary resurgence of certain rhetoric around what mothering should be, around what good mothers are, around what the right kind of mothering is for society. I think we're seeing this with, you know, the like rise of right-wing

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