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Guys, Apple and Amazon both love Mikey lunched gem spinner in 2009 and Check it out right now at GitLatka.com.

As Apple and Amazon both love Mike, he launched Gem Spinner in 2009 in the Apple App Store was featured as making a dollar a day in terms of using it, making $7K per day at its

crush, at its height.

Think of it almost like candy crush.

And then quote, unquote, was featured by Amazon App Exchange many times.

He was getting 3,000 downloads per day.

Now he's taking what he knows about gamification and he's building word huddle.com.

And also he's doing a lot of B2B stuff as well, whether it's a marketplace for folks to find help in terms of psychology and other stuff.

Hey, folks, my guest today is Mike Katz.

Great guest today. He's made games for Apple 2,

games for first generation Mac, games for the 90s PC and modern PC, Mac's iPhone, Android,

you name it, he's done it. He's got chemical emergency response databases and mapping built for NOAA, consumers and recommendations for Amazon and medical devices for epilepsy, concussions, and sleep apnea.

He touches a lot. We're going to dive into all of it today.

Mike, are you ready to take us to the top? All right. Let me start with your consumer play,

which is interesting. A lot of people go, man, one day when I'm old and retired and rich, I'm going to

launch my own game, my own little app. You've launched wordhuddle.com, which how many active people are playing it actively today? I'm getting 300 to 400 players per day right now,

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