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So Damon, today I thought we could start talking about team bosses.

And you drove for three very characterful team bosses, Frank Williams, Tom Warkinshaw, E.J.

They were the owners of those teams.

And you were talking to the boss when you were talking to him.

So what were your collections of that dynamic and how did it feel?

Yeah, so you were very close.

The teams were smaller back in when I was driving.

It was 150 people at Williams, and that was a big team.

So, and if you went back not much further than that, then, you know, 50 people, 60 people,

it started off with like 20 people maximum would be a big team. So it was much more of a family field to going racing.

And in a lot of the cases, I'm thinking about Ron Dennis,

for example, and Nicky Lauder and Alan Prost, they were similar ages. So the team principal,

the team owner, the guy who managed to run it, whatever you want to call them, they were almost the same age. I suppose Ken Tyrell was quite a bit older than

Jackie Stewart, but an Enzo would be older than some of the people that race in. But there was a time

when in the 80s particularly, the people who ran the team were almost the same age as the drivers were.

And so that relationship was very different.

And I think... You were the generation after that, when you saw...

Yeah, I was just coming in after.

So just I was starting to be slip out of that, that mould.

I mean, if I talk about Alan Jones and Kekeke Rosberg, Williams drivers,

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