Hey folks, this is Christine Blackburn, and I want to personally thank each and every one of you guys

for listening to Storyworthy. Storyworthy has more listeners than ever before, and it's thanks to you guys.

So please tell a friend, a coworker, or a family member about the Storyworthy podcast, and then we can

keep this train rolling. Now, let's get on with it. Hi, I'm Mark Travis, and you are listening to Storyworthy. And cut, we're going to do

take two right away.

Welcome to the Story Worthy podcast.

Here are your hosts, Christine Blackburn and Hannah Sfini.

Welcome to Storyworthy. My name is Christine Blackburn, and I'm here with Hanas Finney, and we're coming to you from the NoHo Art Center. That's the North Hollywood

Arts Center. Okay. Because it's all about Hollywood today, and, you know, nobody actually

lives in Hollywood, so I wanted to go somewhere. People actually live, North Hollywood, which has no connection to Hollywood, does not touch Hollywood. Well, there's a mountain in between Hollywood and North Hollywood. There's a mountain in miles and miles of space, yes. Well, not that many miles, five miles. Three hundred miles. No, it's not true at all. Hollywood and North Hollywood are quite close to one another. Yes. But regardless, but not as close as West Hollywood in Hollywood. We're coming from

this NoHo Art Center because our guest tonight is a director, Mark Travis. Yes. And his topic

is how failing in Hollywood made me the director's director. Yes, yes. Well, failing in Hollywood,

I think is a very important point because you're going to fail a lot more than you're going to

succeed. And it's just a matter whether you keep going or not. Yeah, it's so true. It's so true. Remember

we would take that acting class from Brian Reese. Yes. And he would talk about how only three or four people

in the whole goddamn business don't have to audition. Yeah, at any one time. And you can have a, like, there would be movie stars where, like, there's a stretch during which you don't have to audition, and then you go back to having audition. Yeah, you're not hot anymore. Yeah, exactly. So there's always, like, there's an upward thing going in Hollywood, and then there's a downward thing. Yeah. There's no real end of the line. It's always a work in progress. Yeah, it's incredibly rare to be like at the... John Cruz, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Cameron Diaz. Right, but Nor Schwarzenegger's down. His movies, his movies he's making now are not making a lot of money. They're making money in like China. Expendables three, hello.

Yeah, exactly.

I know, but if you have to put to the like 18 guys who were big in 1985 and they make one big

movie nowadays.

The only like, Sean Connery is always a good example of me because it's like you think,

well, he's been a star for 50 years straight.

No, because he was a big star and then he started, it started to wane a bit in the 80s

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