How Empathy Helps Us Experience Love Deeply, with Drs. Bill & Kristi Gaultiere

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Ian Morgan Cron

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🗓️ 16 October 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

What if the real key to spiritual transformation isn't trying harder—but receiving love more deeply?

In this heartfelt conversation, I sit down once again with Drs. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere—spiritual directors, therapists, and founders of Soul Shepherding—to explore what it means to truly receive and reflect God's empathy.

Drawing from their new book, Deeply Loved, the Gaultieres invite us to consider a radical truth: that spiritual transformation begins not with striving or self-critique, but with allowing ourselves to be seen, known, and loved—just as we are.

Together, we unpack how shame, unconscious resistance, and old emotional wounds can block us from receiving love—from God, from others, and even from ourselves. Through vulnerable stories and spiritual wisdom, Bill and Kristi reveal how empathy heals the deepest fractures in our souls, allowing us to move from performance and perfectionism into grace-filled presence.

We explore:

Why self-empathy is essential to emotional and spiritual health.
How each Enneagram type misses empathy in distinct ways.
The difference between tactical and transformational empathy.
How empathy, truth, and responsibility work together to produce growth.
What it looks like to experience God's empathy even in suffering and loss.

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0:00.0	Hey folks and welcome to Typology, the show on which we explore the mystery of the human
0:08.1	personality and the great human adventure all through the lens of the Enneagram. My name is Anthony
0:13.5	Skinner, your producer and co-host. Listen today, we have some friends of ours that are
0:18.5	returning to the show, Doctors Bill and Christy Galtier.
0:23.4	They're the founders of soul shepherding and ministry helping pastors and leaders go deeper with Jesus and emotional health and loving leadership, which is something we desperately need.
0:34.5	So we're grateful for their work.
0:36.2	Their new book, Deeply Loved, Receiving and Reflecting God's Great Empathy for You,
0:42.1	explores how real spiritual transformation begins when we allow ourselves to be fully seen and
0:47.2	loved by God.
0:47.9	So we get deep into empathy from God and how that empowers us to give empathy to others. Bill is a one. Christy is a two.
0:58.5	We get into how this works itself out in each Enneagram type as well at one point in the interview.
1:05.2	Really good stuff. Glad you're here. That's it for me, Anthony Skinner. And now here's the man of the hour,
1:10.7	Ian Kron.
1:20.2	Hey, everybody.
1:21.2	It's a big day here in the typology studio.
1:23.9	We're welcoming back our good friends, Bill and Christy Galtier, who are spiritual directors and
1:30.5	therapists, psychologists, just exemplars of great psychology. Welcome back to the show, you guys.
1:39.2	Hey, thank you, Ian. We're so blessed to connect with all your typology listeners.
1:43.7	Well, we're certainly glad to have you back.
1:46.1	I want to ask you just to come out of the gate with a hot question.
1:51.1	Why don't people love, like, or appreciate themselves?
1:56.2	Well, they're lacking what we write about is self-empathy, which we talk about is agreeing with love and
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