If you want a garden that looks beautiful all year round, you don't have to just make a cutting

gardener. You don't have to be growing from seed. But you can use a mix of herbaceous perennials and have

evergreen structure and shrubs and then underlay with bulbs. I've got like a really good recipe in the

book of how to know how many of each thing you need. So you can think of it like a pyramid.

And at the top you'll have like the biggest thing. So often in a like a small border that would

fit in most people's yards. The second layer you need a few more, which is the sort of medium-sized

shrubs. So maybe two or three of those. And then the next layer down is herbaceous perennials.

And then maybe you'll need five or six of those.

And then underneath that, you have the ground cover creepers.

Welcome to the beat, my friends.

Yes, it's a new voice.

Actually a new old voice.

Kevin's back here on the podcast. Just refer to myself in the third person. I'm here with my friend, Millie Proust. She is quite the gardener. She has a cool book called How Does Your Garden Grow? You can see her holding it right now if you're watching on the YouTube channel, which she definitely should be. But we go way back. So it's great to have you on the beat, Millie. Hello, my friend. It's nice to chat. Yeah. So for those who don't already know you, which should be pretty much everyone on this planet, what exactly are you up to? Because you do a lot of different things in the world of plants. I do. It's because I am very curious and I always want to learn.

So I am a flower farmer, a floral designer, a seed grower, a seed seller, I guess, a writer, and I love to garden, so I'm just a gardener.

You were growing flowers prior to the seed company for many years, right?

Not that many years before.

So I started saving my own seed quite early on.

And the first seed that I saved and uh let it go out in the world

was 2018 which is oh okay yeah that's that's still eight years though it's a good amount of time

and then when when 2020 hit and i really felt the hit from not having any of my weddings and events on,

I decided to pivot and we did loads of nationwide bookets, but also did a lot of seed saving

that year and went big on the seeds and that was really an interesting moment and I loved it so

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