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Hello I'm Matt Choddyley. This is the Red Box podcast featuring the best of my Times Radio show Monday to Thursday, 10 till 1. A bumper show today I went to the pub all in the course of journalistic interrogation

obviously Ritchie Sunak launches eat out to help out initiative so I went to a pub about 500 yards from the office to meet

Charles Corrin to discuss how the restaurants and pubs of Britain are coping during the

pandemic.

I also spoke to Harry Shearer from Spinal Tap and the Simpsons about what he would do if he ruled the world.

Andrew Jimson, the biographer and historian and writer, on how Donald Trump fits into the great pantheon of US presidents.

But we also had a really interesting conversation about cities.

Are our city centres dying and how to we get people to go back into them in the future.

Right, where are you right now and where would you normally be were it not for you know what?

Are you at home when you would normally be in a town or city

centre when do you expect to rejoin the rat race or might you never go back that's what's

what's worrying the leaders of some of our biggest cities and of course

the Prime Minister Boris Johnson's been urging workers to return to offices from

today helping boost economic activity in towns and cities but his hopes could

well be in vain. There's a survey in the daily

mail today of Britain's 30 largest firms it finds only 17% of office-based staff will be

heading back to the workplace today.

So where does all of this leave the UK's city centers,

particularly as fears of a second wave start to take hold,

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