Welcome to Tell Me About Your Pain. I'm Alan Gordon and I'm Alonzev. Today we're going to talk about how to teach your brain to deactivate your pain. As always, we're excited to be doing this podcast in partnership with Curable. Curable is an app for treating chronic, and they have tons of great exercises and techniques

to help you on your path to healing. You can check them out at curablehealth.com.

So before we dive in, we have really exciting news. Our book came out this week. Yay! I'm actually

holding it in my hand right now. So colorful.

Yeah, I love the cover. It's very soothing.

We're really excited about it.

It's called The Way Out, a revolutionary, scientifically proven approach to healing chronic pain.

Available wherever books are sold.

And we're going to circle back to the book in the middle of the episode to introduce a new concept, corrective experiences, and setbacks.

But first, let's listen to a call with Alan and a woman named Sue, who struggles with migraines, back pain, fibromyalgia, and a very scary symptom where it feels like her heart is pounding like a jackhammer.

Alan helps her look at her symptoms through a new lens to help her try to turn off the pain.

You know, it's hard. It's hard for me. And I think, like, my heart is so pounding at crazy, and I'm,

and that seems to be overwhelming my thought. Because the physical sensations are so overwhelming to me.

The heart pounding, I mean, it's vibrating me in my tear, and it does that often. Like, I'm kind of,

my chest is tight. I feel everything.

I feel everything now.

I always have before all of this.

I felt something in my teeth, you know, and I went to the dentist and he's like, wow,

he said, how did you feel that?

He said, it's barely even infected or whatever it was.

I just feel everything.

You know, it's not that you, it's not just that you feel everything so.

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