Hi, this is Natalie Hoffman of Flying Free Now, and you're listening to the Flying Free

podcast, a support resource for Women of Faith, looking for hope and healing from hidden

emotional and spiritual abuse.

Welcome to episode 90 of the Flying Free Podcast and today I have with me a familiar face and

voice Patrick Doyle.

He is a public speaker and coach who has over 30 years of experience working with people from all over in treatment centers, churches, and in his office.

And some of you, many of you may be familiar with him

from the Dove channel videos that he has on YouTube

that are shared constantly in survivor circles. So welcome to the podcast a second time, Patrick.

Thank you, Natalie. It's great to be here. And again, thank you for what you're doing.

It's very important, your work.

Well, thank you.

Say, I am excited about our topic today,

and I think a lot of people are going to be interested

in hearing what you have to say. We are going to be interested in hearing what you have to say.

We are going to be talking about safe and unsafe people.

And you are, I think you're just the person to talk to about this. You have experience, personal experience,

as well as experience in your

professional field, understanding and working with and dealing with safe and unsafe people.

And I think we should start off probably by having you define,

how would you define a safe or an unsafe person?

Well, that's a great question because I think so many people get,

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