Hi, this is Natalie Hoffman of Flying Free Now, and you're listening to the Flying Free

podcast, a support resource for Women of Faith, looking for hope and healing from hidden

emotional and spiritual abuse.

Welcome to episode 89 of the Flying Free Podcast. Today I have with me

Daphne and Rachel and we are going to have a conversation about something that takes place a lot in the separation stage of people's

journey when they're trying to get out of an emotionally abusive relationship or a spiritually abusive relationship.

And when I say separation stage, I kind of mean not necessarily that you're separated,

like physically separated where someone's living in a separate home.

But it could also just mean where you are starting to set some boundaries and

separating yourself emotionally. And when you or starting to separate yourself from his kind of imaginary world of what he says you are and how he defines you.

And sometimes in that stage you will get communications from him that are

confusing because on the one hand he will be trying to you know he'll be saying

things like oh I'm so sorry I'm ready to cooperate I shouldn't have done that what can I do to change myself and then and the next and

then when you say what you what you're interested in the changes you're

interested in seeing then he'll turn it back on you and he'll accuse you of all the things he's always accused you of and he'll blame you and he'll define you and he'll do all of those things.

And it's really confusing because you don't know which which message to

believe. It doesn't want to work on things or is it really your fault and you just are

making a big deal out of nothing and you need to you know be more forgiving and more understanding and

give them lots of more chances and so welcome Rachel and Daphne are you ready for

this discussion? Yes looking forward to it. Okay.

First of all, I'm curious to know,

did you either of you experience anything like this

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