Welcome to Questions from the Closet. I'm Ben Shalatti.

And I'm Charlie Bird. Each episode we discuss a question we commonly get asked as LGBTQ plus

Saturday Saints. We are not trying to answer this question or come to a consensus, but simply

share in our perspectives. Today's question is, how do I know God loves me? Ben and I are not

terribly diverse and we share many opinions and life experiences. For example, we both have offices

at BYU. However, there are some pretty big differences. For example, my office has a view

and Charlie's doesn't. Ben likes to remind me of that. Oh, like the one time I reminded you.

You just barely got an office. I know. It's a new office. Ben, your office is much

prettier and much better view. It's true, but you like have an intern office and I'm like a real

employee. Yes. I mean, you're a real employee too. I just like, I have like benefits and stuff. Ben

was shocked when I had an at BYU.edu email. Yeah, I was like, you was like, real email? What?

You're like, I'm an employer official and I was like, yeah, I'm a therapist. So have you decorated

your office yet? Kind of. I have a few succulents and I put up a piece by J. Kirk Richards, the one

where it's like the inclusive church building. It's really pretty. I know that I have the painting

right there, but oh, yeah. It's something that's it's it's right. You have multiple J. Kirk Richards

in here. People could give you them to me. Well, I understand why. Anyway, yeah, I love my office. It's

little and they painted the walls. My favorite color. A bluish, grayish, green. Oh, that's nice. Yeah.

Yeah. My my office, I tried to put things in it so that people would like know a lot about me

when they came in right away. Do you want to talk about the four paintings or pictures you have?

Which ones? The four that are the vintage travel posters of my four favorite places or the ones

that represent the mission names of a BYU education? Well, now now I was going to say the latter,

but now the former sounds more fun. But I just you have the photo of Jane. Jane Manning James.

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