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I'm Dr. James Dobson, and I'm thrilled that you've joined us.

Well, welcome back to Dr. James Dobson's family talk.

I'm Roger Marsh, and on the last edition of our program, we began a fascinating conversation

with Dr. Neil Shenvey about understanding woke ideology and where it comes from.

Dr. Shenvi holds a PhD in theoretical chemistry from UC Berkeley, and along with his co-author, Pat Sawyer,

he's written a brand new book called Post-Woke, asserting a biblical vision of race, gender, and

sexuality. Now, on the last edition of Dr. James Dobson's family talk, we worked to understand what

critical theory actually teaches. On today's program, we'll turn the corner toward what we do

about it. Dr. Shenvi will show us how to reach people in our lives who've been swept up in these

ideas, not by winning an argument which could lead to losing that person and the relationship,

but rather by speaking the truth in love. Dr. Shenvi will also explain why giving our kids a positive biblical vision

matters far more than a list of do's and don'ts.

So let's rejoin this conversation right now.

Well, welcome back to Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk,

the voice you trust for the family you love. I'm Roger Marsh, joined again for part two of a conversation about a brand new book by Dr. Neil Shenvey and Pat Sawyer. The book is called Post-Woke, Asserting a Biblical Vision of Race, Gender, and Sexuality. We have a link for it up at Dr. James Dobson.org, and Dr. Neal Shenvey is with us. Once again, Dr. Shenvi, welcome back to Dr. James Dobson's family talk. Thank you. There was a big paradigm shift, and I remember the Obergefell decision and we were told by the White House, well, this isn't going to affect anybody. It's not really going to change anything. If you are in a straight marriage, then gay marriage isn't going to change anything.

And yet, it seems like that was the, that was the shot heard around the world that kind of

unleashed all of this woke ideology becoming the norm.

And it's interesting, Dr. Neal Shenby, I'm sure as you've seen some of the statistics

that are suggesting anyway, I don't know if they are actually verifiable at this point,

the number of Gen Z, especially young men, that are starting to return to traditional, biblical,

or at least they're going to Catholic and more organized religious expressions,

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