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Woke ideology. When you hear that term, you probably think, well, there's academic ideas that are coming from somewhere, and maybe I'm not quite aware of what's happening, and I need to be more awakened to what's going on in the culture. But is it really something that those of us in the body of Christ really need to be focused on that clearly from

the secular point of view. On today's edition of Dr. James Dobson's family talk, we're going to get

into a fascinating conversation about a new resource that I think will help many people in the

body of Christ, understand what wokeness is all about, and how to live Christianly in a culture

that seems to take that as the

default position. Dr. Neil Shenvi is the co-author of a brand new book called Post-Woke,

asserting a biblical vision of race, gender, and sexuality. We have a link for the book up at

Dr. James Dobson.org. Dr. Neil Shenvey has an A.B. in chemistry from Princeton University

and then went on to earn a PhD in theoretical chemistry from UC Berkeley.

He's the author of a number of books, including Why Believe, a reasoned approach to Christianity, and is widely recognized for his writing on critical theory, which can be found in journals like ICON and the Journal of Christian Legal Thought.

He and his wife just recently celebrated

their anniversary, and they have four children. Dr. Neil Shenvi, welcome to Dr. James Dobson's

family talk. Roger, thank you so much. My pleasure to be here. It's great to have you on for this

conversation. I know Dr. Dobson always appreciated this type of discussion because of the fact that

you approached this obviously biblically,

but also from a scientific research standpoint, you're not just throwing out accusations and saying things like, well, I don't like woke people and therefore I've got a whole book, a whole screed on

this. Talk about first and foremost, why you and your co-author, Pat Swear, why you felt the

need to put this book out right now because it seems like a lot of people have kind of settled into their camps. And, you know, either there's the woke crowd or there's the Christian anti-woke crowd. But you're trying to bridge the gap and say, well, let's understand what's really going on here before we start jumping to those conclusions.

Is that a fair assessment?

Mostly, I mean, I would put myself squarely in the anti-woke crowd, but that said, I want to understand the ideas very precisely and accurately, because that's the best medicine against

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