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How China is playing Trump

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🗓️ 10 April 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Donald Trump and Xi Jinping are locked in a tit-for-tat trade war, as both sides refuse to back down from retaliatory tariffs. China was hit with a whopping 125 per cent levy on exports to the US, and has fought back with 84% tariffs on American goods. So who will blink first? 

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Guest: Rana Mitter, ST Lee Chair in US-Asia Relations at the Harvard Kennedy School. 

Host: Manveen Rana.

Producer: Sam Chantarasak.

Clips: Reuters, CBS News. 

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We're making a fortune with tariffs. Two billion dollars a day. Do you believe it? I was told

0:47.0

$2 billion a day. Since his so-called liberation day, President Trump has had a triumphant tone,

0:56.3

promising his sweeping tariffs have made the world fall in line.

1:01.2

In addition, we have a lot of countries coming to see us.

1:03.5

They want to make a deal.

1:07.3

But in Beijing, they're proving less easy to tame.

1:11.6

I think the mood is pretty dark in many ways.

1:15.6

In terms of the official statements, as you might expect, they are pretty hawkish, they're pretty fierce.

1:21.6

They denounce the United States for essentially destroying the trade relationship between not just the US

1:28.3

and China, but they would say the wider world as well.

1:31.3

They attacked this as a vicious attack on free trade.

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