There's a lot to grieve in the world, and that's not simply limited to the present-day nature of our reality.

Grief is an inescapable aspect of the lived experience, which is why I am so happy for the guest we have on the show today.

She will explain what constitutes as loss and grief,

whether that be death, job loss, or identity related, and tips on how to find meaning on our

journey. Stay tuned until the end for an important announcement. Welcome back to Savvy Psychologist.

I'm your host, Dr. Monica Johnson.

Every week on this show, I'll help you face life challenges with evidence-based approaches,

a sympathetic ear, and zero judgment. I am so pleased to have Hillary with us today to talk about grief. But before we get into that topic, please,

Hillary, introduce yourself to the audience. We are so grace to have your presence today.

Thank you so much, Monica. I am Hillary Busell. I'm a licensed clinical social worker and

psychotherapist. So I have a private practice where I work with young adults,

adults, and couples. And then I'm also a lecturer at the Columbia University School of Social Work.

Yeah. And I know, you know, I plugged you today to get you in to kind of talk about grief.

I know that there's a lot of grief experiences happening in the world right now.

And so as a starter, I know that grief and loss are related. But can you give us like a working

definition of loss and grief as like a foundational kind of start to this conversation?

Absolutely. So loss is simply something that's

gone, right? That's it. The loss is what is gone, what's not here anymore, and grief is our

emotional response to that loss. So pretty simple. Grief is, yeah, what we're doing with the thing

that's gone. Yeah. And I know something that

often comes up is people are sometimes confused on what kind of counts as a loss. Can you talk

about the different types of loss that a person can experience? Yeah, I think this is a really

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