We're going to be the first on everything. In number of deaths of coronavirus, in number

of people unemployed, it's really scary.

Brazil recorded its first death from COVID-19 on March 17th, much later than places like New

York City and hard-hit areas in Italy and Wuhan, China, where early on, the pandemic overwhelmed

hospitals and healthcare facilities. But despite the late arrival of the coronavirus, as of mid-June,

Brazil was registering over 850,000 cases, and it had jumped to the second spot in the list for

the highest death toll in the world right behind the United States. Jair Bolsonaro, the country's

right-wing nationalist president, has dismissed the threat posed by the virus from the very beginning.

Back in early May, he was asked by journalists about the rising death toll in response.

He simply answered, so what? What do you want me to do about it?

The epicenter of the virus in Brazil is the state of São Paulo, which has about one-fourth of all cases

and deaths. Journalist Jizeli Raghatal lives in New York City, but she's originally from the city

of São Paulo, which has been struggling to find an effective response to the pandemic.

So what I think we're seeing in Brazil is really the consequence of what happens when government

decisions don't take science into account. She's been following this story for us, and Jizeli comes

back on the show today to talk about her reporting in what she's uncovered. Jizeli Raghatal,

welcome back to Latino USA. Go to the back, Maria. So Jizeli, we're speaking about Brazil, which is

where you're from. And I'm sure it must have been a shock, I imagine, when you realize now that

Brazil has become one of the epicenters of the coronavirus. So how does this happen to Brazil?

Absolutely. It's really shocking. And as I did my reporting, I learned it is basically a combination

of three factors. One, there's a lack of testing in Brazil, which is something other countries also

had an issue with. The second issue is there is a non-compliance to isolation, to shelter in

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