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🗓️ 28 November 2025
⏱️ 30 minutes
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When listener Sakura’s husband came home from his morning walk in Cambridgeshire, UK, he told her about a massive rainbow he’d seen. But when he showed her a picture, she didn’t think it was particularly large. So how big is a rainbow really? Are they always the same size? And if some are bigger than others, is there a limit?
To find the answers, presenter Marnie Chesterton meets independent rainbow expert Philip Laven in a pitch-black studio to simulate how a rainbow is formed. He demonstrates how they are created by sunlight, reflecting and refracting in millions of little water droplets.
But what does that mean for their size? Raymond Lee, retired professor from the US Naval academy, says that rainbows are not objects and don’t have a linear size, just a specific angular size that’s relative to the person seeing it. But Marnie doesn’t give up so easily – some rainbows still look bigger than others.
In her journey to discover other ways to size up a rainbow, Marnie hears from Australian aerial photographer Colin Leonhardt who stunned the world with a beautiful picture. Next, assistant professor Ping Wah Li from The Chinese University of Hong Kong explains why it’s possible to come across more than one rainbow at a time.
And finally, atmospheric scientist Harald Edens shares another way to consider size, as well as how much he struggles to explain the complexity of rainbows to his four-year old daughter.
Presenter: Marnie Chesterton
Producer: Florian Bohr
Editor: Ben Motley
Photo: Rainbow of Dreams - stock photo stock photo Credit: Laurent Fox via Getty Images)
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| 0:51.7 | I'm Marnie Chesterton and I'm in an almost pitch black studio with rainbow expert Philip |
| 0:58.2 | Lavin and I think an object in front of me. What we've got here is a cylinder full of water. |
| 1:08.1 | It's a big vertical glass cylinder and perhaps we could switch the spotlight on. |
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| 1:16.2 | my eyes are drawn to a projection on the wall behind him. |
| 1:21.6 | I'm now shining white light at our cylinder full of water. |
| 1:28.0 | And down here we can see... |
| 1:30.1 | A rainbow! |
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