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Can we turn deserts green?

CrowdScience

BBC

Science, Technology

4.8985 Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Can we turn the world’s deserts green? CrowdScience listener Youcef is captivated by the idea of bringing water back to Earth’s driest landscapes. With sea levels rising and huge stretches of land drying out each year, he wonders whether redirecting seawater inland could offer a solution to both problems. Presenter Alex Lathbridge sets out to investigate… starting with a kettle of salty water.

Alex speaks with scientists about how deserts form, and how human actions like overgrazing can tip a fragile grassland into a barren landscape. He learns how the brightness of bare sand affects local weather, reducing cloud formation and rainfall. Researcher Yan Li reveals how huge solar and wind farms could darken and roughen the Sahara’s surface enough to double its rainfall, potentially kickstarting a self-reinforcing cycle of vegetation and moisture.

But what about deserts where clouds already drift overhead? In the Atacama – one of the driest places on Earth – geographer Virginia Carter shows how fog harvesting nets can coax litres of fresh water from the air.

Alex also investigates desalination, where professor Chris Sansom is trying to harness solar power to remove the salt from seawater without burning vast amounts of fossil fuels. It’s promising, but can it reduce the impact of rising sea levels? And what do you do with all the salt that’s left over?

Climate scientist Alan Condron proposes an even wilder idea: towing kilometre-sized icebergs from Antarctica to parched nations. His models show it might be possible, but the logistics verge on science fiction.

Finally, plant scientist Zinnia Gonzalez Carranza warns that greening deserts isn’t just about adding water. Introducing new species, even hardy ones like mesquite, can trigger ecological chaos and harm the very communities who depend on these landscapes.

Presenter: Alex Lathbridge

Producer: Sam Baker

Editor: Ben Motley

Photo: Palm trees - stock photo Credit: danymages via Getty Images)

Transcript

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0:37.3

I'll start with the pouring I guess.

0:40.3

Yeah that is some salty water. Give a little mix. Now we pour this salty water into the kettle.

0:49.3

Okay, okay. So that's salty water and now I turn this kettle on. Now we just wait for it to boil.

1:01.1

This is crowd science, the show where we boil questions in the kettle of curiosity. I'm Alex

1:08.0

Lathbridge. So you're probably wondering why I'm boiling a kettle of salt water

1:13.6

making this BBC studio smell like a dock.

1:17.6

Well, it's because of a question from listener Yusuf.

1:20.6

Yeah, my question is, can we re-green the deserts?

1:26.6

So basically, trying to put water back in the deserts.

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