How Bad is the Trump Immunity Ruling?
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🗓️ 2 July 2024
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Summary
The Supreme Court has ruled that presidents enjoy “substantial immunity” from prosecution for crimes committed while in office, which includes absolute immunity for “core constitutional duties” and “presumptive immunity” for “official acts.”
All good news for one Donald J. Trump. How bad is it for the rest of us?
Guest: Richard Hasen, law professor at UCLA and director of UCLA Law’s Safeguarding Democracy Project.
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| 0:00.0 | If you are wondering what to make of the final day of Supreme Court decisions, |
| 0:10.0 | which included a long-awaited ruling on whether Donald Trump's presidency |
| 0:14.4 | makes him immune from criminal prosecution. |
| 0:17.3 | Rick Assen is here with some straight talk for you. |
| 0:21.3 | I can't imagine the court doing a better job for Donald Trump than what they did in this case. |
| 0:29.0 | Rick is a lawyer who writes for slate and to be clear he never had a whole lot of hope |
| 0:38.1 | that the Supreme Court would rule the way he thought they should hear. |
| 0:41.1 | I'm not surprised given how the Supreme Court has slow walked this case, |
| 0:47.1 | but it is even worse, even worse than I expected that it was going to be. |
| 0:55.0 | The basics are this. |
| 0:56.8 | The court said presidents like Trump |
| 0:58.7 | have substantial immunity from prosecution |
| 1:01.4 | for crimes committed while in office. |
| 1:04.1 | This includes absolute immunity for core constitutional duties and presumptive immunity |
| 1:08.9 | for duties that are within the outer perimeter of official responsibility. |
| 1:13.4 | That leaves an unspecified number of unofficial actions |
| 1:18.4 | that actually can be prosecuted. |
| 1:20.7 | Determining the line between official and unofficial though, that requires an extensive |
| 1:26.2 | fact-finding process. So imagine you're Jack Smith, the Special Counsel prosecuting Trump |
| 1:31.8 | for trying to overturn the 2020 election. |
| 1:35.2 | All of your evidence must now be reconsidered. |
| 1:38.4 | Is it official? Is it not? |
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