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Next Up with Mark Halperin

How America’s Red-Blue Divide Plays Into the ICE Shooting in MN, and Trump’s Global Power Plays Explained

Next Up with Mark Halperin

MK Media

News, Daily News, Politics

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2026

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Mark Halperin opens the episode with his reported monologue examining what the Minnesota shooting reveals about America’s deep Red–Blue divide — and why the national reaction to the tragedy says as much about our political culture as the violence itself. From the language used by leaders to the moral certitude on both sides, Mark breaks down how polarization is shaping conversations about grief, blame, and accountability. He then turns to the immigration debate, explaining why the left’s anger at ICE misses the larger forces driving the conflict — and how the Minnesota tragedy fits into a broader national struggle over enforcement, sovereignty, and political responsibility. Mark is then joined by Democratic strategist Hyma Moore and Republican Strategist Jeff Roe for a wide-angle discussion of where the immigration fight goes next, how both parties are positioning themselves, and what this moment reveals about the limits of political messaging in the face of real-world consequences. The conversation then shifts abroad, as Mark, Hyma, and Jeff break down why Europe is misreading Donald Trump’s strategy on Greenland — and what the confusion says about transatlantic assumptions, power, and negotiation under Trump. Finally, EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin joins Mark to explain how the Trump EPA is rewriting the rules on deregulation and enforcement, detailing the administration’s governing philosophy, the tools it’s using, and how environmental policy is being reshaped in real time. Beam: Visit https://shopbeam.com/MARK and use code MARK to get our exclusive discount of up to 40% off. Home Title Lock: Go to https://hometitlelock.com/mark and use promo code MARK to get a FREE title history report and a FREE TRIAL of their Triple Lock Protection! For details visit https://hometitlelock.com/warranty Unplugged: Switching is simple, Visit https://Unplugged.com/MARK and order your UP phone today!

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody, welcome back.

0:03.8

I'm Mark Kalpren, editor-in-chief of the live interactive video platform two-way and your host here,

0:09.5

Guide to Everything Next up.

0:10.8

Delighted to have you back, all you Nexters who are tuning in for our second episode of the week

0:16.1

and second of the year, very happy to have you here.

0:18.9

We've got some great guests and a great conversation in a busy, busy news week already.

0:25.3

Jeff Rowe will be here. He's a Republican strategist. One of the smartest people in politics I know. And he doesn't do a lot of media. He's a semi-reclusive figure. So Jeff will be here, along with Hyma Moore, a Democratic strategist. We'll

0:38.4

have a great conversation about everything that's going on in politics. And then after that,

0:43.7

the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, Lee Zeldon, a long-time Republican member

0:48.9

of the Congress, who was tapped by President Trump, to figure out a new way to balance the economy, how to grow the

0:56.4

economy with a clean environment. And talk to the administrator about how he's trying to do those

1:01.5

things, which some see as contradictory, but Lee Zeldon thinks they can do them both. So we'll

1:06.2

talk about that with those three great guests coming up. But before that, in just a moment,

1:11.7

my reported monologue on the national crisis in Minnesota in the wake of the shooting by an ICE

1:18.8

officer. We'll talk about what I've learned about that since it occurred. My reported monologue

1:23.8

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